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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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That depends on which rules you're already used to. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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duo2nd Rank: Veteran

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Maybe the rules are posted in the earlier parts of the topic. I guess I can read them when I don't have anything to do.
Quote: | Eccentric: Don't fit anywhere else? Feel your all for show? A member of the staff? (Martin, Vanessa, Sibilla) |
That's strange...... Maybe I shouldn't find out. |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Well, an "eccentric" is also a person whose activity makes people go "WHAT... THE... HECK?" Like, say, a passionate collector of weird stuff (on the lower end of the scale) or dr. Victor Frankenstein (on the higher)  |
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Oh. So that explains it. And one thing: I guess each color goes to each class of cards used. |
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LabrnMystic Royal Member of BonBon

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*sigh* I was afraid I was too late. Though, I havn't seen completed cards with the text written. I could easily go back through and make them, croping pictures to cards and typing in the text, what not. But as I said, I'd feel like I was taking away the card game.
So, I guess what do you need me to do at this time? _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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Martin wrote: | Well, an "eccentric" is also a person whose activity makes people go "WHAT... THE... HECK?" Like, say, a passionate collector of weird stuff (on the lower end of the scale) or dr. Victor Frankenstein (on the higher)  |
I defy you to find a more eccentric example then Dr.Victor von Frankenstein. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Well Labrn,you could help us by giving ideas for future cards.The TCG card creation wont stop,when the cards are created!Thats why i wanted it a litle bit closer to Magic! But unfortunetly,these may be the last posts i post,becaouse i'll be far away from my PC,on work for 2 whole moths and an available PC with internet will surley be out of my reach. So i wish luck to all of you,have fun this summer and to Vanessa and Martin:lay off the work,just a litle bit!  _________________ F.E.A.R.™-Fatal.Effluent.Assault.Rhymes™
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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Arrivederci, Cesar. (Is that the correct goodbye?) _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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Ashton Gray wrote: | Arrivederci, Cesar. (Is that the correct goodbye?) |
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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Eccellente, soon I shall be speaking and writing fluent Italian. Here's hoping. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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At least the project is running smoothly I guess. And Ashton, you need to buy a English-Italian Dictionary. |
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LabrnMystic Royal Member of BonBon

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I still only have grasp the whole fighting concept. So, you battle it out using either seduction or power, based on a 1-8 scale with the addition of a d6 (a six sided die to those unfamiliar with the "xdx" term).
Does a player draw every turn? The max number of characters on a field? Max number of items usable/equiped? How many locations on the field at a time?
Many many important questions that I only found half answers to. Did you guys get together through messengers and finish off the rules?
Also, not trying to be rude, but the cards are half made. We have the pictures and base cards, but the actual text and such is missing as far as I last saw.
I can post my revision of the rules elsewhere and link it here for a full review. I'll redo any cards (if any are made that I havn't seen) to fit if you find any of my changes. Til then gentlemen, keep me posted. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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LabrnMystic wrote: | I still only have grasp the whole fighting concept. So, you battle it out using either seduction or power, based on a 1-8 scale with the addition of a d6 (a six sided die to those unfamiliar with the "xdx" term).
Does a player draw every turn? The max number of characters on a field? Max number of items usable/equiped? How many locations on the field at a time?
Many many important questions that I only found half answers to. Did you guys get together through messengers and finish off the rules?
Also, not trying to be rude, but the cards are half made. We have the pictures and base cards, but the actual text and such is missing as far as I last saw.
I can post my revision of the rules elsewhere and link it here for a full review. I'll redo any cards (if any are made that I havn't seen) to fit if you find any of my changes. Til then gentlemen, keep me posted. |
Well, as far as I can tell you:
1)Yes, players draw 1 card each turn
2) there can be ONE main, FOUR sidekicks (more for "popular" mains) and an undefined amount of minor (non-fighting, non-tool-using, only useful for getting stuff) characters
3)A character can have ANY number of items on it, but if the character goes, so do the items, and items can't raise the characteristics above eight
4)There can be only ONE location in play at any time. Initially it's played by either the active player or (if he has none in the hand) his opponent.
5)No, we only discuss and amend the rules here... well, at least I do.
The "as far as I can tell you" is because since there are many hands at work, sometimes I get confused... I'm not perfect, you know.
And, honestly, the cards aren't done yet because, well, if you're waiting for me to write the text on them, you could wait forever... I have no tools and no talent for doing that (yes, when it comes to graphical work and the like I'm a disaster ) |
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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duo2nd wrote: | And Ashton, you need to buy a English-Italian Dictionary. |
I would, duo, if only I could find one. I have'nt given up looking, though. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Well, no comment. |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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Ashton Gray wrote: | duo2nd wrote: | And Ashton, you need to buy a English-Italian Dictionary. |
I would, duo, if only I could find one. I have'nt given up looking, though. |
I could lend you mine... problem is, the paper version should be mailed, and the digital version, well, let's say that my workplace's computers weren't kind to it (understatement of the year... the danged junkheaps totally trashed the CD ) |
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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I'll keep that in mind, Martin, thank you for the generous offer. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Based on Martin's card list, I went ahead and made a picture for 'broom'.
I'm not too sure if this picture's composition is relevant to it's game play flavor though. Not just that, I realized that the picture didn't really focus on the broom only after I finished it...
Feedback anyone? _________________ Love thy neighbour
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Like for me it's splendorous ^^ in those card illustrations it is cool not to only put attention on the subject, specially when it is not very interesting one like a broom itself, but put it in interesting surroundings and it gets a new meaning ^^ people more gladly watch on the illustrations which tell us a story
great job here ^^ _________________ "Ia! Ia! Kothulhu Herishtagn!" - by BlekDef
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LabrnMystic Royal Member of BonBon

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Looks fine to me Bittenhard. I actually got a question for your character. What all is he? I have half a card for Mr. Pilkington.
Infact, I have 50+ characters, 20 Locations, 30 tools & items, 30 tricks, and in my version of the rules, I have special "Type" abilities for each character type. For example: Gamblers - roll 2 dice. On a roll of 7, +2 to next attack. Snake eyes = -2 to next attack. Such abilities can be used in place of the character's ability by using (tapping) them.
Just an example of how I evolved the rules. Does that sound like an idea though Martin? Shall I give you guys my rendition? I'm searching for my computer software to edit up the cards, in which case I can start shelling out my 130+ card ideas, but I'll post them with my revision first, for review and corrections. I'll also have to go over the card ideas you have posted, to correct my own or make sure I don't have duplicates.
I also need to know what certain people's characters are. Such as:
Ultimawolf, is Wolfwood a traveller or Gambler?
Blackfox, what category does Ksthara fit under?
Vanessa, what is the name of the man who works with Hans who worships Betty in the castle?
Carrie, shall we just do one for Pafehi? or Bi-ancha as well?
Herisheft, what shall we do of your character?
Foxonian? You want in on this?
I'm beat tonight, but I'll get this stuff up eventually. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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LabrnMystic wrote: | Infact, I have 50+ characters, 20 Locations, 30 tools & items, 30 tricks, and in my version of the rules, I have special "Type" abilities for each character type. For example: Gamblers - roll 2 dice. On a roll of 7, +2 to next attack. Snake eyes = -2 to next attack. Such abilities can be used in place of the character's ability by using (tapping) them. |
Sounds good to me (actually, I took a little time to get the craps reference, but then I'm kinda beat right now )
Only some problems jump to my mind:
1)Should the "origin" (not "type"... else we'll get confused, since we call them "origin" everywhere else ) abilities be written on the rules, or on the cards? the first would require a player to keep the rules at hand (but then, the same goes for many "Magic the Gathering" abilities), the second would crowd the card text even more
2)would the "disguise" tool influence them? if so, its cost should increase accordingly, since a player could basically shift abilities at will...
3)with a little thought, you or I could crank out abilities for nobles, workers and travellers, but what could be an "eccentric" ability?
4)You said that the "origin" ability would take place of the "character" ability: but what of the PERMANENT abilities, like, say, Popular (that allows a main to have five sidekicks)? Would a "popular" main that has five sidekicks on the field be unable to play his Origin ability, or would he lose one sidekick the very second he taps his card? And what of a Wealthy main? what would stop him from buying all the Tools he can at a discount and THEN tap his card and obtain the ability? (this fourth is the most worrisome, because it has shows space for abuse...)
LabrnMystic wrote: | Just an example of how I evolved the rules. Does that sound like an idea though Martin? Shall I give you guys my rendition? I'm searching for my computer software to edit up the cards, in which case I can start shelling out my 130+ card ideas, but I'll post them with my revision first, for review and corrections. I'll also have to go over the card ideas you have posted, to correct my own or make sure I don't have duplicates. |
As I said, it sounds fine, but remember, I'm not the only one in this (and, spoilsport that I am, I cranked out a ton of notes above )
Anyway, as a wiser man than me once said, show me what'cha got, because I can't judge what'cha got if I can't see it
Wait wait wait wait waaaaaaait... you got CARDMAKING SOFTWARE? Can I see it? (Note that my gentlemanly nature stops me from saying just "GIMME!" )
LabrnMystic wrote: | Carrie, shall we just do one for Pafehi? or Bi-ancha as well? |
Errr... as funny and nice as Pahefi and Bi are, they're supposed to be a couple of goddesses... wouldn't their cards be the equivalent of tiny nukes, with maxed up characteristics and an unbelievable amount of HP? |
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Martin Royal Member of BonBon

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I made two posts one after another because the one above was an answer to LabrnMystic, and this one was a more personal afterthought.
You see, people, all of this is good and fine, but there are two things that I have to point out:
Point first, sooner or later one of us (me, maybe?) has to collect ALL the rules proposed and compact then inside a single text file (of course, that would also sign the point when we say "Okay, enough rules"... at least for the Alpha version)
Second, we should think of a way to have some Alpha and Beta tests for the game itself, because, as someone said, "no battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy", and that enemy is actual gameplay!
I mean, it's all good and fine when we suggest rules and amendments, but there is still the chance that during actual gameplay those rules and amendments will tap us on the nose with all the gentleness of a runaway semi...
Of course, that would mean ACTUAL gameplay, with ACTUAL players... "simulated" gameplay just doesn't cut it. Trust me, I speak from experience. |
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At first, I thought the maid had a sword instead of a broom. But I guess it's a good pic.
I wish I can contribute, somehow... |
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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bittenhard, very nice pic, even if it does'nt get to be used. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Im baaaaaaack!Damn thats a lot of posts!!I doubt i'll have time to read them all!Well in the mean time i'll try not to fall too much behind  _________________ F.E.A.R.™-Fatal.Effluent.Assault.Rhymes™
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Bittenhard, you're a wonderful artist! This card as of now is the prettiest of all, I didn't expect such a detailed picture, I thought that it was enough to draw the item or character without the background. I want to put it in the pin up gallery. Moreover I'm very surprised of how well you drew the young fennec Lily, even if she appeared just in a few scenes.You have the talent to render my characters as if they were yours! I mean, and I hope I can explain myself, that you've understood my style perfectly and you nkow the souls of PBB's characters, when I see one of your picture I'm amazed since they're exactly the way I'd do them, even if the art style is different. And the thing that surprises me the most is that you manage to do so even with characters that don't appear in the comic, like Sakura or Stella. I don't have to explain or correct a thing, you always manage to do a splendid work! If you work this good already, in a few years you'll become a real ace!! _________________
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Ashton Gray Royal Member of BonBon

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That's it folks, you heard it here first. Our lovely hostess, Vanessa Santato, has just declared bittenhard's broom card picture as "the prettiest of all" and has asked him to post it in the pinups gallery. The polls are closed, the votes are in, and that's it, ladies and gentlemen. bittenhard will be making his thanking and acceptance speech when and if he's ready.  _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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LabrnMystic Royal Member of BonBon

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Martin wrote: | I made two posts one after another because the one above was an answer to LabrnMystic, and this one was a more personal afterthought...Of course, that would mean ACTUAL gameplay, with ACTUAL players... "simulated" gameplay just doesn't cut it. Trust me, I speak from experience. |
I shortened your quote up, mostly to show you I'm replying straight to this.
Ya see, I took alot of that already into consideration. My version of the rules is just about air-tight. And I have a group of gamer soldiers (it was amazing to find so many guys who play Magic, WoW, D&D, Warhammer over here.) who can help me play test it.
Anywho, I'll have a text document of my rules for you tonight. Your contact info is on the site right? (Martin @ BonBon, something like that?) Let me know where to send this, without violating any of the board rules. Link or whatever. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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LabrnMystic Royal Member of BonBon

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Martin wrote: |
Sounds good to me (actually, I took a little time to get the craps reference, but then I'm kinda beat right now )
Only some problems jump to my mind:
1)Should the "origin" (not "type"... else we'll get confused, since we call them "origin" everywhere else ) abilities be written on the rules, or on the cards? the first would require a player to keep the rules at hand (but then, the same goes for many "Magic the Gathering" abilities), the second would crowd the card text even more |
Actually, I already have an ability for each "origin." Sorry about that, I forgot what we were calling that. Now, they're based on my revision of the rules, so if we don't go with any of mine, we'll have to make changes.
Entertainer (An appointment): May tap an Entertainer to tap an opponent's sidekick w/ a succesful seduction. The sidekick doesn't untap until you untap your entertainer. (Red for visibility reasons)
Worker (Overtime): May tap a Worker to use another sidekick's ability once more this round. Both do not untap next turn.
Traveller (Sight Seeing): May tap a Traveller to change the location. You may not attack this turn.
Noble ("I'd Never!"): May tap a Noble to cancel a seduction attack. This can not stop a character's special ability, but may cancel one due to a trick. You can not make a seduction attack next turn.
Eccentric (I can do anything my dear, I'm eccentric! *Growl*): May tap an Eccentric to exchange a card in your hand with either: the top card of the deck, any card in the "graveyard", or with one of your cards in play. This can not change your main character. (The name is from the movie "Rat Race" )
This also takes care of question the third.
Martin wrote: | 2)would the "disguise" tool influence them? if so, its cost should increase accordingly, since a player could basically shift abilities at will... |
No. Only natural origins can use the ability. My version of disguise is for cards and payment usage. IE: Martin is an eccentric, but you need a worker to purchase a "wrench" so, using the "Dirty suspenders" disguise, he can count as a worker to purchase and use the wrench.
In my version of the rules, items that rely on origin to be purchased can also only be used by those of that origin. IE: only a worker like Jillian can use a "wrench" compared to the noble Mary who would just look at it strangely.
Martin wrote: | 4)You said that the "origin" ability would take place of the "character" ability: but what of the PERMANENT abilities, like, say, Popular (that allows a main to have five sidekicks)? Would a "popular" main that has five sidekicks on the field be unable to play his Origin ability, or would he lose one sidekick the very second he taps his card? And what of a Wealthy main? what would stop him from buying all the Tools he can at a discount and THEN tap his card and obtain the ability? (this fourth is the most worrisome, because it has shows space for abuse...) |
Well, in my revision of the rules, such permanent types such as "popularity" and "Wealth", I had diferent rules for them. However, if we don't use mine, their abilities are more like enchantments. Tapping the character does not end their ability. (Just like tapping an enchantment doesn't end its ability...anymore)
Its mostly for those who utilize an ability, such as Johnny's "Dead-Eye" which in my version requires you to tap Johnny to use the ability. (Oh magic, if you try to sue us we'll simply rename it to "activating" or "Utilize" this card.)
As for "card making softward" I was refering to my "Picture Publisher" software, that I've used to make my proto-type cards. Its not actual cardmaking softward. I crop and doctor the photos to the margins of the card, and then splice.
Martin wrote: | Errr... as funny and nice as Pahefi and Bi are, they're supposed to be a couple of goddesses... wouldn't their cards be the equivalent of tiny nukes, with maxed up characteristics and an unbelievable amount of HP? |
Nope. Utilizing Vanessa's "No mythical" rules of BonBon, her little goddess wings have to be clipped sadly. Else as stated by Ashton and Xebulon, Labrn would have through the roof health. How I did the characters, there are "permanent" abilities that multiple charactes can share. (Popularity, Wealth) and then each character has an unique ability to their own (Such as your monotreme ability. XP)
As stated above, I'll get a text of all my rulies here tonight. Let me know where to put it. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Well this hame has certanly taken an interesting twist.But remember,we have to make the game as simple as possible,well maybe not as simple as possible,but we have tp keep the rules at a minimum.
Quote: | In my version of the rules, items that rely on origin to be purchased can also only be used by those of that origin. IE: only a worker like Jillian can use a "wrench" compared to the noble Mary who would just look at it strangely. |
That was the main idea.
Quote: | Its mostly for those who utilize an ability, such as Johnny's "Dead-Eye" which in my version requires you to tap Johnny to use the ability. (Oh magic, if you try to sue us we'll simply rename it to "activating" or "Utilize" this card.)
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That was the main idea.
Quote: | Nope. Utilizing Vanessa's "No mythical" rules of BonBon, her little goddess wings have to be clipped sadly. Else as stated by Ashton and Xebulon, Labrn would have through the roof health. How I did the characters, there are "permanent" abilities that multiple charactes can share. (Popularity, Wealth) and then each character has an unique ability to their own (Such as your monotreme ability. XP)
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Maybe we can make them as special characters,with other strenghts and weakneses.
I really think we should go over the changes in the game in one post,becouse its getting rather confusing trying to figure out what has been changed! _________________ F.E.A.R.™-Fatal.Effluent.Assault.Rhymes™
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