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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Betty's bodyguard, Sakura Harukaze Reply with quote

Good evening, allow me to introduce myself as this is my first post. I am Ashton Gray. Ash is also acceptable if you prefer. Introductions made and manners observed, my question is thus: Why would Betty need a bodyguard? She doesn't seem entirely the type to have many if any enemies so I must wonder why.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, good question! Of course, it seems to me that Betty isn't the type to dirty her own hands with overly-rowdy customers (like, for instance, her first meeting with William).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor betty... well she looked cute with the icecube next to her ear.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think Betty is exactly the kind of person to accumulate dangerous people in her life. She's wealthy, powerful, and likely has legions of obssessive admirers and jealous wives to fear. Her arrogance and penny pinching approach to her work when she lets it slip could also help her amass a few potentially harmful foes.

Yeah, she wouldn't want to dirty her paws, but I wager lots of people would like to dirty her. And that's a bet I'd happily make in the casino.

Considering other women are most likely to want to do unpleasant things to her, she probably has a food taster, too. Especially in these Victorian-esque times, when poison is a popular way reconcile irreconciliable differences.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You raise a good point Kommy, while I had considered the "legions of obssessive admirers", I failed to consider the jealous wives factor of her chosen career though, as I think about it, I don't believe Bon Bon is the type of place you'd need to worry about that. As for having a food taster as well as a bodyguard, you may be on to something.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually a pretty interesting topic. Never gave it much thought, but I suppose there is some relevance here. Since Betty technically manages a brothel and casino, there are bound to be problems in that place every so often. But again, BonBon doesn't seem like the kind of place where you could have abusive customers or even jealous wives. Also, I seriously doubt any male entering that casino would bend over backwards to share his indulgences with a would-be spouse. Few of those rich males entering the casino would probably want to be tied down anyway. Plus, since Betty only pleasures the richest men in the casino, she probably doesn't deal too often with abusive poorfolk and deals more with classier (or maybe just selfish and lustful) rich guys looking for an expensive one night stand. Not to say I would admire that kind of behavior nor would I admire Betty's penny pinching, but this is all done for the humor of the comic and a situation like this probably wouldn't make much sense in today's reality, though it might have in Victorian times.

Frankly, I'm happy enough loving Daphne who is basically monogamous with the exception of an occasional good time with a Leo. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"What happens in BonBon, stays in BonBon."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"What happens in BonBon, stays in BonBon."


Not if the spouses/fiances/girlfriends back home are suspicious and hire a detective (Hi, Dante) to uncover their risque dalliances. I bet most of the clientel at the casino are from out of town. Razz

I still think Sakura is quite necessary for the simple fact that not only is Betty temperamental, very wealthy, and a highly sought after commodity in her own right, Simon Blue and her are likely mortal enemies, personally and politically. If he catches wind of her little scheme...

Well, lets just say I don't think Mr. Blue is the kind to try to discuss problems over a hot cup of tea and try to work out a mutually beneficial compromise. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, lets just say I don't think Mr. Blue is the kind to try to discuss problems over a hot cup of tea and try to work out a mutually beneficial compromise. Razz


Unless it were to involve that rifle of his. Though I'd be afraid of what he might try to do with it.

Makes me wonder....has Betty had any real contact with Mary since that first time they met at the gate? Doesn't seem like Simon's the type who'd let his daughter just wander around (if locking her away in her room is any indication). Perhaps they continued to meet in secret in that garden of Mr. Blue's. That's all I can think of.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kommy, you continue to raise good points in this conversation, I admire that, but let us not forget what Dorian said in the very first issue: "Bon Bon is a nice little town among the mountains, very well hidden. It's the ideal place to hide if you are in trouble. No one asks you who you are in Bon Bon." Even if a detective were hired to find you, it does'nt seem they'd have the easiest time of finding you were you in Bon Bon. I also agree with the statement "I don't think Mr. Blue is the kind to try to discuss problems over a hot cup of tea and try to work out a mutually beneficial compromise.", at least not with any residents of Bon Bon. As for you, Nightwolf, I don't think Mr.Blue is hateful enough of Betty to bring a firearm to a negotiation between them, though neither do I think he would agree to a meeting with Betty in the first place.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the thing is, we don't know a lot about Mr. Blue quite yet. All we do know is that he's got the knack to have quite a temper and didn't exactly roll out the welcome mat when he first spotted William (err. Wilson) That's not to say he wouldn't compose himself and be respectable, but it seems as though he's got a lot of pent up hatred for the town of BonBon, so like you said, it would be highly unlikely that he'd even agree to meet with Betty, but if he did he would be none too happy.

EdelWeiss also told Betty when she was young how evil Simon is and that he had a grudge against BonBon, so we don't really know what he's actually capable of. We can only hope that Wilson stays on his good side. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct, Nightwolf, in that we do not know very much about Mr.Blue yet and yes, he does seem to have a nasty temper and yes, he was not particularly welcoming when he first met Wilson though, as he himself said, he thought he was "one of those lecherous, wandering, time-wasting spendthrifts" and, while that may be true of William Greenback, I do not believe that is the persona of Wilson Green. As for having a lot of pent up hatred for the town of Bon Bon, I don't believe it's so pent up, he seems to express it quite clearly. As for Edelweiss calling Mr.Blue evil, I believe she may be a little intolerant if not prejudice against him and his ideals. That was not meant as an insult, mearly as an observation, and I'm sorry if it was perceived as insulting. As for Wilson staying on Mr.Blue's good side, I think he's going to walk the line of his good side and bad side more than once Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admire this conversation very much, this is very interesting. Let me explain you the official synopsis of the meeting between Betty and Sakura, written by Martin:
"Sakura's dad, the leader of a lesser ninja clan, decided to send his best Kunoichi (to wit, Sakura) to check overseas for possible future "business expansions", so to speak. Problem is, Sakura is an ace at many things but not in dealing with gaijins (westerners), and got a little lost... While she was thinking about what to do, she met Betty, that, while relaxing, was approached by a huge, rowdy drunkard, and dealt with the man easily. Betty, smart as usual, saw the small but deadly kitty as a boon, and offered her a job as a bodyguard. Sakura accepted, on two terms: first, Betty should deal with her as an equal (Sakura only takes orders from one person... her dad), and second, that she'll only intervene if Betty is in actual danger. And the rest is history..."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep... apparently, as of now Sakura-chan is my mind baby as much as she is Vanessa's Very Happy Isn't that cool?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, Vanessa Santato, I was wondering when you would join this conversation. It's a pleasure to "meet" you, so to speak. Martin, it is a pleasure to "meet" you as well, that goes for all the people I have met here. Now then, on to the subject at hand. Martin, you have written a very entertaining, intresting and informative synopsis of the meeting between Betty and Sakura and I thank you for writting it and thank you, Vanessa, for providing it. That does certainly answer a few questions but it raises another for me, what does Sakura's father think of where her travels have taken her? If he's even partially as protective of her as Mr.Blue is to Mary, then we may have a problem in the future. As for Sakura-chan being both yours and Vanessa's mind baby, yes, that's very cool. Congratulations, it's a girl Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashton Gray wrote:
That does certainly answer a few questions but it raises another for me, what does Sakura's father think of where her travels have taken her? If he's even partially as protective of her as Mr.Blue is to Mary, then we may have a problem in the future.


Actually, he's very proud of her... the Ninjas take a lot of pride in their work, and seeing that she's doing so well, he can't help but be happy. Besides, it's no news that Ninjas take "alternate careers" as covers, so as long as she's having fun, it's all good Very Happy . Of course, if her new course would take her to betray the clan, she'd have to die... But that's strictly business, and they both know that, so no offense Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's quite true Martin and I am well aware of many Ninja practices including the habit of taking on "cover jobs" and "alternate careers", as you put it, to disguise their presence in certain areas and keep themselves occupied, though I have never heard of a Ninja taking on a "cover job" or "alternate career" in a brothel and casino and I can't think of many parents who would be alright, let alone proud, to have a child working in a establishment such as the Delight Castle, not that I myself have problem with Sakura being here, it was just an "open minded observation", let's call it
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashton Gray wrote:
That's quite true Martin and I am well aware of many Ninja practices including the habit of taking on "cover jobs" and "alternate careers", as you put it, to disguise their presence in certain areas and keep themselves occupied, though I have never heard of a Ninja taking on a "cover job" or "alternate career" in a brothel and casino and I can't think of many parents who would be alright, let alone proud, to have a child working in a establishment such as the Delight Castle, not that I myself have problem with Sakura being here, it was just an "open minded observation", let's call it

And yet, some kunoichi DID take cover jobs as prostitutes... nothing like the afterglow of sex to make a target an easy victim. Plus, daddy IS a very open minded man (comes with belonging to one of the lowest social classes in Japan) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying it's not a good cover nor a cunning plan for assasination but this is the first time I've heard of a Ninja, regardless of social status, taking a job, cover or otherwise, as a prostitute, though that does seem rather odd, considering, as you said, there's "nothing like the afterglow of sex to make a target an easy victim". Makes me wonder if she does'nt have her Ninja eye on someone other than Betty?
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Nah... if she had, she would have dealt with the matter already. She IS her daddy's best student, after all... Cute as you want, sweet as you want, but our little lithe kunoichi is no slacker Very Happy
Who knows, maybe she's got a little secret... or maybe I'm just fibbing to lead you on a merry goose chase around our oriental cutie Laughing
Or maybe, just maybe... She's just enjoying her stay in a friendly environment? Could it just be THAT easy? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashton Gray wrote:
I'm not saying it's not a good cover nor a cunning plan for assasination but this is the first time I've heard of a Ninja, regardless of social status, taking a job, cover or otherwise, as a prostitute, though that does seem rather odd, considering, as you said, there's "nothing like the afterglow of sex to make a target an easy victim".

Heh, there's actually a very funny episode of Samurai Champloo where Mugen (one of the two leads) falls for a kunoichi who was disguising herself as a prostitute. She was working for the Shogun to take down a counterfeiting ring, and realized how impossibly strong a fighter Mugen was, so she used her feminine wiles to persuade him to help her on her mission.

I figured I'd also note (just for historical continuuity) that, depending on exactly when in the Victorian period this story takes place, Japan may have already experienced the Meiji Restoration (starting about 1868), a period when the old class systems were abolished (thus ending the Samurai class all together, although some nobility still existed), and more "Western" influences began to make their way into Japan's culture. With the country no longer under control of the Shogun or of the various daimyo (warlords), Japan began to more seriously become industrialized and a new age of commercial prosperity began.

If Sakura's father was part of the lower class during the Tokugawa Shogunate (just before the Meiji Restoration), that would mean he was part of the merchant class (excluding the outcaste "eta" or "burakumin"). This may sound strange, considering how wealthy many merchants could become in comparison to higher classes (such as crafts-people or farmers or even samurai), yet they were figured as "lower" in social hierarchy because they did not "produce" anything. This makes perfect sense when you think of Sakura's father as a businessman, sending his daughter overseas to scout out new possiblities for "business expansion". Of course, being a ninja probably helps when dealing with "competition".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When dealing with Ninja, be smart, take nothing for granted, cunning is not only a way of life for them, it is both a means to and matter of survival. They all have a secret or two hidden up their sleeve. And when a Ninja works in a brothel, such as Sakura, those secrets give them an alluring sense of mystery, a definate boon at times to their work. As for what year this tale takes place in, the year is 1895, though in Betty's flashback to childhood, it was 1885, both well after the Meiji Restoration, that is, if the dates you provided are indeed accurate, Johnny. Now, we've heard the thoughts and opinions from many people here, even one of the creators of this story, Martin, but what have the other two, Ms.Vanessa Santato and Mr.Ronald Trang have to say, if anything? Please, your thoughts would be much appreciated if you've anything to add.
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A beautyful rose in a garden, yet her thorns are deadly if you dare try to get too close.
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The most beautiful rose has the sharpest thorns. Another variation is: The rose with most thorns is the most beautiful
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because I don't want to feel left out...

"Our love is like a red, red rose, and I am feeling a little thorny!" - Jim Carrey, The Mask

gomen nasai... Embarassed
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The rose, in itself, a flower, but when tied to the heart, such a simple thing becomes a well honored and timeless symbol of love, creating new memories of love and invoking old, bound to the heart forever, igniting and re-igniting the flames of emotions you never thought you would expereince or never would experience again, erasing heartache or writing it anew, forever, on and on the cycle spins, far beyond our time and into the next, unchanging, everlasting, forever. The rose, in itself, a flower.


Well, what do you all think? I was suddenly inspired to write this down after reading our various rose comments. Please, be honest, what do you all think? Bear in mind, this is my very first stab at this sort of thing, I think poetry is the best word to describe it but, still, be completly honest on what you think.
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What do I think? I think that it looks like a hybrid between a haiku and a flowery, elegant prose, quite pleasant to the eye. All in all, it's enjoyable, and leaves a good impression. I liked the beginning-and-ending repetition... sort of like a textual, attention-drawing bracket.

Or, for short, "I like it". Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I started something when I said that
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Thank you for your feedback, Martin, but that still leaves us with neither an opinion from either of your cohorts or a womans opinion, an opinion I'd very much enjoy having. We have a male opinion, all that's left is the flipside of the coin, a womans opinion. Of course, any other opinions, male or female, in any number or view, would be of great help. As it has been said before: "An artist is nothing without an audience for which to create.", though I fail to remember who it was who said it. As for your creating something when you said that, Drake, you are indeed correct, though I believe it is something grand. I think it is safe to say that if you fathered these roses, then I, in starting this topic, grandfathered them. Smile
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My only comment is, first of all, to thank you for starting a really interesting topic, and I thank also all the participants! With this topic, not only we've had the opportunity to investigate the story and character of Sakura, but I found out that you pay very close attention to the story and the characters. Curious I particularly appreciated the introspective remarks on Betty and Simon, and how you quoted phrases or situations to explain the course of the story, showing that you're so attentive that I'll have to be even more scrupulous to not let you find out too soon the secrets and mysteries of the plot! I think that Dante here is not the only Sherlock Holmes able to find out my plots! Therefore I'll have to become like Professor Moriarty to hope to get away scot free! Cool
Ash seems to be particularly fascinated by Sakura, and he's also a truly romantic type... you could be a poet in PBB!
Anyway I decided to disclose a part of the story in the beginning of issue #4, that is, another part of Betty's past when there was still Edelweiss, so you'll learn why... No, I won't tell you a thing about it in advance Twisted Evil ! Very Happy
The present date of the story is the year 1895, it can be read also on the coat of arms on the carriage, while the age of the characters by 1895 is the same shown on the bios.
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