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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | If you're short a man or two, I've a couple of gardeners in my Book of Furry Creations who are both seven feet tall and over, Martin. |
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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | Sounds quite similar to my favorite vampire creation and his earlier years when he was first turned. I look forward to seeing what Vanessa will make of your fursona, though you did failed to mention a species. "Bat-like" is a little vauge, if you ask me. |
I wasn't sure if I could get the species I wanted, namely gargoyle, because I didn't want a squat living statue like the ones that helped Scarlett in her striptease, but I didn't want an actual bat like Scarlett because for some reason seeing my fursona with those huge ears turned me off. The ears work for Scarlett, not for how I see myself.
As for Jedah's clothes, to me they looked like a kind of retro victorian style to me, but after looking at it a again, I can see the japanese school uniform there, but I still like it.
I think I will change the height a bit, though, make him an inch or two shorter.
I was thinking of Gantros as the male equivalent of Q4F's Bloodrose, using sexual rituals to recharge his magic. But he's not evil so he extracts non-lethal amounts of 'spiritual energies' from his female visitors, then uses his magiks to alter their memories of the events, and sends them back to town with happy feelings and fatter purses.
Finally, the symbol I want engraved on his face mask is an Icelandic rune known as the "Helm of Awe", believed to confer invincibility to the wearer, fear to their enemies, or protect against corruption. I would choose the last option, personally.
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| Martin wrote: | Er, not to be bothersome, but Jedah doesn't wear a "victorian goth style" set of clothes: he wears a weird variation of a common modern japanese schoolboy uniform. The one with victorian clothes is Demitri, I think...
Also, I noticed that many people ask for their characters to be taller than six feet... I wonder if that means that we'll be able to form Bon Bon's official basketball team anytime soon |
Although I cannot speak for everyone elses reasons, I think that it's natural to view a male character as being equal in height or taller than their female counterparts in fiction, especially when you visualize that loving embrace with the female's head resting on the male's chest and so forth.
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As would I but that all sounds a tad to mystic for the story Ms.Santato has created. If she has decided to exclude mythological creatures from her story, your mystic ways would seem to be included. That's just my impression, however, it's up to our lovely hostess to decide, of course. As for your wings, if you don't want to be a bat, try a bird of some sort. And you've a point there, Gantros, about the height differential between men and women. I admit, I think that way myself, the man being equal to or taller than the woman. Conditioning, I suppose.
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| Martin wrote: | | Bet you're saving a bunch on stepladders... |
I would imagine you're right, though I'd never really thought about it. The farthest my thoughts went in that regard for them was they did'nt have to climg as high on ladders when picking fruit from trees.
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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | As would I but that all sounds a tad to mystic for the story Ms.Santato has created. If she has decided to exclude mythological creatures from her story, your mystic ways would seem to be included. That's just my impression, however, it's up to our lovely hostess to decide, of course. As for your wings, if you don't want to be a bat, try a bird of some sort. And you've a point there, Gantros, about the height differential between men and women. I admit, I think that way myself, the man being equal to or taller than the woman. Conditioning, I suppose. |
Well, another way to look at mysticism is the Cthulu mythology used by H.P. Lovecraft, whose fictions at least occasionally took place in the Victorian era. It could provide a rare opportunity for tentacles, although that's not really my thing...
Also, it could be argued that all the mysticism isn't real, but Gantros thinks it is. He could have just been one lucky bastard in the casinos and was smart enough to invest wisely, and has some knowledge in hypnosis but doesn't view it as hypnosis. Say that a sidestory for Gantros is written and drawn in a comic, like Scarlett comes to visit on Halloween or something. Gantros sets up a ritual, does the deed, and all the art shows what he thinks is happening, with magical swirls of light, beams bursting from his eyes and mouth at climax, that sort of thing. The only difference between someone who is crazy and who is eccentric is that they can afford to be eccentric.
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You make an intresting argument but, regardless of other examples of Victorian era mysticism, I don't think what I think you're thinking of fits in Bon Bon, I think Sibilla La Noire is as far as mysticism goes. And what you proposed about it being all in Gantros mind just seems to make it non-worthwhile. Why got through the trouble of creating it in a way that makes anything possible and have it turn out to be nothing more than an illusion? If you're going to do it, make it real. That's my opinion. Still, it's up to Ms.Santato to decide on what to do, I'm rather curious as to what she will think of all this.
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Yes, as do I. Still, if my origin turns out to be unacceptable, I can just as easily make up another one, but the physical form still stands, with adjustments to species if necessary.
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| Er, Gantros... sorry to break this to you, but since I'm taking care of the translation of Scarlett's comic I can tell you that the mini-goyles that help Scarlett in her everyday life aren't exactly "creatures" as much as they are animated constructs, more akin to the living statues of Hogwarts than to Goliath's clan. Not sure if in Bon Bon's world there are supernatural beings proper (unless one counts Scarlett, of course ) |
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I think vampires can safely be counted among the supernatural.
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Well, I beleive it was put out "No fantasy creatures, such as unicorns, pegasi, manticores..." but we're talking about legend, myth, and local lord. Vampires, Were-wolves, Fiends. Those seem to be a little closer to what we can do, as long as you can trace it to a local animal geneous.
As for the height, when I created Labrn, I was big into WWE (was WWF) and my favorite wreslter "Undertaker" was just entering the wrestling entertainment. When it came time to custom a character, I would use Undertaker as the base model and then adjust to create Labrn in the game. Thus, Labrn kept the Undertaker's height, a freightening 6'10"!
Though, in storyline, we shrink him down to 6'4", but he grows back to 6'10" when he enters his final form.
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| Martin wrote: | | Er, Gantros... sorry to break this to you, but since I'm taking care of the translation of Scarlett's comic I can tell you that the mini-goyles that help Scarlett in her everyday life aren't exactly "creatures" as much as they are animated constructs, more akin to the living statues of Hogwarts than to Goliath's clan. Not sure if in Bon Bon's world there are supernatural beings proper (unless one counts Scarlett, of course ) |
Alright, I concede to the fact that supernatural beings are not allowed in PBB. However, by your own admission, you have referred to Scarlett's gargoyles as animated constructs, implying that supernatural forces do exist (i.e. magic), and therefore the magical aspect of my character can be considered valid. I will make adjustments to species to be simply a bat like Scarlett, as that is the closest to my vision, specifically a hybridization of the flying fox (large wings, smallish ears) and the vampire bat (less pronounced muzzle, fangs), basically the same features as Scarlett with huge wings and smaller ears.
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oh...
I'm really sorry for having to chill out your enthusiasm, but I agree with Martin and Ashton, since I've already estabilished some rules for the avatars. It wouldn't be fair to do an exception after many have modified their avatar, just like Drake has.
Drake was a pegasus, but I had him remove the wings. 
Bon Bon is not a fantasy and there are no mythological animals.
Scarlett is a half-vampire, half vampire bat and half true Vampire.
Her gargoyles are simple stone beings, not living, that she animates and dominates with her power at her leisure.
Sibilla... is not a spell-slinging, lightning-throwing mage, but a sensitive, she can brew potions and do spells only with the necessary preparation (by using ingredients and rituals), not with a hand gesture. For the remainder there are no other characters gifted with magic powers.
In PBB are only quoted beings set in the Victorian era such as the vampire or Frankenstein's monster... Think of the movie Van Helsing or of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. So no anachronisms.
Therefore I have to ask you kindly to choose a really existing species, in order to avoid going out of theme.
I rather liked the idea of doing a bat for you, there are also bats with small ears 
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| Vanessa wrote: | oh...
I'm really sorry for having to chill out your enthusiasm, but I agree with Martin and Ashton, since I've already estabilished some rules for the avatars. It wouldn't be fair to do an exception after many have modified their avatar, just like Drake has.
Drake was a pegasus, but I had him remove the wings.
Bon Bon is not a fantasy and there are no mythological animals.
Scarlett is a half-vampire, half vampire bat and half true Vampire.
Her gargoyles are simple stone beings, not living, that she animates and dominates with her power at her leisure.
Sibilla... is not a spell-slinging, lightning-throwing mage, but a sensitive, she can brew potions and do spells only with the necessary preparation (by using ingredients and rituals), not with a hand gesture. For the remainder there are no other characters gifted with magic powers.
In PBB are only quoted beings set in the Victorian era such as the vampire or Frankenstein's monster... Think of the movie Van Helsing or of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. So no anachronisms.
Therefore I have to ask you kindly to choose a really existing species, in order to avoid going out of theme.
I rather liked the idea of doing a bat for you, there are also bats with small ears |
Ok here's my totally revised avatar creation:
My Avatar is an amalgalm of character traits I've always been fascinated with.
Name: Gantros Obscura
Gender: Male (hetero)
Age:mid to late-twenties (no one in Bon Bon knows for sure)
Species: Bat, Flying Fox (small ears, gigantic wings)/Vampire Bat (less pronounced muzzle, and fangs) Hybrid
Build: muscular build on the athletic side (less muscular than the example image above, more lanky)
Height: 6'4"
Wingspan: 
Occupation: Gambler, occultist (scientist), and amateur filmmaker
Description: I'll post various example images of aspects I'm looking for
1.) Clothes
I'm looking for the Victorian goth style used by the Darkstalkers character Jedah, minus the wings (replaced with the style of the above Goliath pic), oversized hands, and the elbow spurs smoothed out. This image has the body type I'm looking for as well.
2.) Appearace
2a.) Waist length silvery white hair
2b.) A face masque. This is meant to convey a sense of mysteriousness (i.e. Phantom of the Opera). Gantros is actually quite handsome under the mask, unlike his Phantom inspiration. Note: I would like the 'horn' in the center of the mask reduced and flattened against the forehead, as well as this symbol engraved on the crown portion of the reduced mask. The symbol is an icelandic rune known as the 'Helm of Awe', meant to inspire fear, invincibility, and/or protection against corruption. I prefer the last meaning.
2d.)capable of folding wings over shoulders like a cloak, this is an homage to my favorite cartoon, Gargoyles
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3.) Accessories
Has a small, locked iron bound book chained to his left side at all times. It is believed by the populace to contain magic spells and enchantments, but in reality, it contains mathematical equations (for calculating table odds), mechanical schematics, and other scientific ideas. On his right ring finger is a large ring with a black stone. Finally, he has a necklace with a simple, octagonal stone with an engraving of a bat on it as well as chinese symbols symbolizing luck and fortune. The bat is considered lucky in certain Asian cultures. This is to further add to his mystique.
Personality: When in public settings, he is completely calm and collected, almost cold. In private however, he is very passionate about science and technology, anticipating the hours he'll spend in his basement lab, along with his private film studio. His experimentation may extend to sexual pursuits as well, think a less ludicrous version of John Carradine's character in the Woody Allen film 'Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)'.
Life in Bon Bon:
Arriving in Bon Bon with only his 'grimoire', ring, and necklace, Gantros Obscura went on the biggest winning streak in the town's history. It was believed he used magic to change fate, but in fact, Gantros is an outcast academic, frustrated by the inflexible dogma of university, decided to pursue his intellectual interests in Bon Bon under a new identity, Gantros Obscura. Untempted by spirits or feminine charms, he used his winnings acquired through mentally calculating odds (Bon Bon's first cardcounter?) at table games to buy interest in several Bon Bon establishments, becoming very wealthy. He is currently overseeing the construction of his estate, a white tower, on a cliff overlooking Bon Bon.
After attending a movie of Delight Castle's Betty, he has taken interest in both filmmaking and the women of Bon Bon, having recently purchased a couple small rooms in the Delight Castle's basement to convert into a film studio and stage. It is rumored he is also constructing a even larger, private studio in the basement of his tower...
First, so that we are clear that no anachronisms are being committed here, is that Gantros is a scientist, much like Victor Frankenstein, Dr.Jekyll, and other, similar Victorian-era science characters. He has a taste for theatricality, and thus creates a facade of mysticism, when in fact it's science. His mannerisms and clothes reinforce this, the kind of aristocratic, goth flair of Stoker's Dracula, while the man (or bat) underneath is pure science. Truly Dr.Frankenstein and Mr.Dracula (pun intended).
Second, the species I've chosen is a hybrid of flying fox and vampire bat, hybrids of related species are allowed, aren't they? It's not like it's a mermaid or a flying monkey, is it? I feel that the hybridization I've chosen will give me the facial and physical features I seek, namely huge wings that can drape over the shoulders like a cape/cloak and smallish ears (flying fox), and a smaller muzzle and fangs (vampire bat).
Finally, with all the interest in the Zone flash that I have spearheaded, I think that it fits to have my chacter be an amateur filmmaker, perhaps in possession of that camera that those pig brothers lost in issue #2. It would stand to reason that in order to recoup some of the winnings the Castle lost to Gantros, Betty would be open to freeing up some storage space in the basement for an amateur film studio, to indulge in Gantros' hobby (and subsequently make a lot of money off it).
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Whoohohooow!I mean whoooow!Well thats a lot of reading material.Well thats what i get for goin away for a couple of days.I was going to post a pic of my avatar,but it is kinda over-crowded.So im gonna drop that and get to reading...ou boy...
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I was curious where you had gone off too.
Did you catch up on the Card Game? I have a sample game, but I havn't updated the rule changes I came up with during the sample game.
I'm going to make little prototypes (no pictures, on them, just names and abilities) for a real live game amongst myself and a few volunteers over here.
I've got some ideas on how to make it multiplayer. The easiest way would be to change the locations, such as making the main ones Square, or you simply have your characters & sidekicks in front of you, only placing them on inner locations, showing the small side rooms getting filled.
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Cesar, might I suggest you respond to this in it's appropriate thread?
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Gantros,this description is fine, a hybrid can be done!
But you forgot to tell me the color of fur and eyes. 
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| Vanessa wrote: | Gantros,this description is fine, a hybrid can be done!
But you forgot to tell me the color of fur and eyes. |
Ah, yes, well the fur color is a slate gray, with a tinge of blue to it. the eyes would be piercing blue, but these would be rarely seen in public, what with the face masque obscuring them.
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| Gantros wrote: | | Vanessa wrote: | Gantros,this description is fine, a hybrid can be done!
But you forgot to tell me the color of fur and eyes. |
Ah, yes, well the fur color is a slate gray, with a tinge of blue to it. the eyes would be piercing blue, but these would be rarely seen in public, what with the face masque obscuring them. |
Um, Gantros? Despite what Batman would have us believe, masks have eyeholes... unless, of course, you want to go around slamming into walls or using echolocation continuously (which wouldn't endear you to the local canine population, IMHO) |
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| Martin wrote: | | Gantros wrote: | | Vanessa wrote: | Gantros,this description is fine, a hybrid can be done!
But you forgot to tell me the color of fur and eyes. |
Ah, yes, well the fur color is a slate gray, with a tinge of blue to it. the eyes would be piercing blue, but these would be rarely seen in public, what with the face masque obscuring them. |
Um, Gantros? Despite what Batman would have us believe, masks have eyeholes... unless, of course, you want to go around slamming into walls or using echolocation continuously (which wouldn't endear you to the local canine population, IMHO) |
As a scientist, it's entirely possible that my character invented one-way mirrored lenses that appear to be opaque. It would also fit my bat-like character not liking well lit areas. Also, as an amateur filmmaker, he could have also invented them, initially for himself, for his stars to protect their eyes from the harsh studio lights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunglasses#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_Glass
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| Martin wrote: | | Also, I noticed that many people ask for their characters to be taller than six feet... I wonder if that means that we'll be able to form Bon Bon's official basketball team anytime soon |
Granted, the average height then was shorter than it is now. But for Xeb, bears are big. Especially Kodiaks.
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| LabrnMystic wrote: | I was curious where you had gone off too.
Did you catch up on the Card Game? I have a sample game, but I havn't updated the rule changes I came up with during the sample game.
I'm going to make little prototypes (no pictures, on them, just names and abilities) for a real live game amongst myself and a few volunteers over here.
I've got some ideas on how to make it multiplayer. The easiest way would be to change the locations, such as making the main ones Square, or you simply have your characters & sidekicks in front of you, only placing them on inner locations, showing the small side rooms getting filled. |
I'll take a look at it Labrn.Nice idea so far.
But you dont know how much i HATE "catching up"
| Ashton Gray wrote: | | Cesar, might I suggest you respond to this in it's appropriate thread? |
No worries Ashton,I know.
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| Gantros wrote: | | Also, as an amateur filmmaker, he could have also invented them, initially for himself, for his stars to protect their eyes from the harsh studio lights. |
Gantros, you say you're a filmmaker, but I would like to know with what tool, seriously, given that in PBB's issue #2 the brothers Lumiere in furry version (two french poodles) lose the one and only prototype of film-using cinematographe, with which I opened this topic.
http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3428
According to the original script for PBB that should be the one and only movie machine, there is no other... That is why I drew the true model without inventing another non-existing one. Try looking for a picture of a similar object, truly existed, built at the time or beforehand (the date is the 1895) and add the photo, only in this way I could in the future draw your character in the work and quote the inventor of said object.
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I had thought of that myself but did'nt feel it was my place to say anything. I do have a suggestion on how you could remedy this conflict, if either of you are intrested, Vanessa and Gantros.
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| Vanessa wrote: | | Gantros wrote: | | Also, as an amateur filmmaker, he could have also invented them, initially for himself, for his stars to protect their eyes from the harsh studio lights. |
Gantros, you say you're a filmmaker, but I would like to know with what tool, seriously, given that in PBB's issue #2 the brothers Lumiere in furry version (two french poodles) lose the one and only prototype of film-using cinematographe, with which I opened this topic.
http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3428
According to the original script for PBB that should be the one and only movie machine, there is no other... That is why I drew the true model without inventing another non-existing one. Try looking for a picture of a similar object, truly existed, built at the time or beforehand (the date is the 1895) and add the photo, only in this way I could in the future draw your character in the work and quote the inventor of said object. |
Alright, I found something that would fit, the Kinetograph and Kinetophone.
Kinetograph: a camera (the first to use perforated film stock) for producing subjects for the Kinetoscope peepshow machine. Developed over several years, and shooting commercially-used films from 1893.
Kinetophone: Kinetoscope with Phonograph cylinder audio player built in and earphones, 1895
Kinetoscope: 1. Kinetoscope - interior view. The 35 mm film travelled continuously over a bank of rollers, each picture being viewed briefly through a narrow slot in the revolving shutter
Here's a link to the bio of the inventor, William Kennedy-Laurie Dickson:
http://www.victorian-cinema.net/dickson.htm
My source material is from http://www.victorian-cinema.net/machines.htm
If this option proves unusable due to the Edison references, another possibility is the Eidoloscope (formerly known as the Panoptikon), invented by the Lathams, who lost the patents to their invention mainly due to the Woodville's sons, Grey and Otway, being renowned hedonists, rather appropriate for PBB. Here's a pic of their invention, and a link to their bio.
The Latham Trio, Otway, Woodville, and Grey
The Latham's Bio:
http://www.victorian-cinema.net/latham.htm
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| Vanessa wrote: | That is all perfect!
Good job Gantros! |
I try, and I'm learning more about the Victorian Era than I ever thought possible.
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And we would'nt have it any other way.
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