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JohnnyPsycho Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, Violet seems to be mostly oblivious to the whole Betty/Red/Mary plot going on, or at least it very much seems that way. I got the impression that Violet wasn't a "lifer" like the Champaign twins or Betty... Actually, based on her first appearance in the comic, she seems to be sort of naive about how the job works: interupting Betty while she was with a client, "stealing" him away from her, and then letting him off with a "freebie"... not really "professional", I'd say...  _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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Though wholly entertaining and amusing. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Okay, I did find the post where Vanessa said that Violet has only been at the castle for a year, so it wasn't just something I had imagined
My impression of Violet is that while she can be naive at times, a great deal of her behaviour is also due to her being a very carefree and positive person. I don't think that she cares to follow the rules as much as Betty.
I have also been thinking just how much she knows about Red. She obviously knows about the whole story about Mary, but I wonder just how much of the past Betty has told her. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Violet has been working at the Delight Castle for just over one year, and she knows next to nothing of Betty's past; there's a lot of confidence between Betty and the girl that worked at the Castle from the time when Edelweiss was there, but she prefers Violet's company. Since Dalila and the others shared sad moments of Betty's past, she doesn't spend much time with them to avoid remembering.
On the other hand, Violet is happy and naive and with her Betty is distracted and feels at ease, for the very reason that Violet doesn't know much. That's why Betty chose her on the spot as a sort of lady-in-waiting.  _________________
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JohnnyPsycho Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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As always, whenever Vanessa posts something, it clears up all doubts (or at least a great many of them). That explanation of Betty and Violet's friendship makes a surprising amount of sense, plus I'd suspect the Champagne sisters and Betty might have a bit of a "sibling" relationship, since all three of them grew up under the care of Edelweiss. Anyone who has siblings knows that the longer you're around them, the less time you want to spend near them. Sure, you might get along with your siblings, for the most part, but even when they don't get on your nerves there's a definite need for privacy and lots of "personal space".
Sort like the opposite of the old idiom "Absence makes the heart grow fonder"... maybe something like "Presence make the heart go 'meh'."  _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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JohnnyPsycho wrote: | Sort like the opposite of the old idiom "Absence makes the heart grow fonder"... maybe something like "Presence make the heart go 'meh'."  |
That is fricken perfect... can I use that I'm seriously going to quote that at a couple of my friends |
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Hmm....I sense a lot of drama in Issue 7 perhaps?
Quote: | On the other hand, Violet is happy and naive and with her Betty is distracted and feels at ease, for the very reason that Violet doesn't know much. That's why Betty chose her on the spot as a sort of lady-in-waiting. |
So that means there's a possibility Violet may become closer to Betty after she became the Queen of the Delight Castle someday... |
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Symphony Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Something that I've been wondering is how Dorian fit into all of this. Could he possibly be a member of the Clan of the Talon as well?
It appears that it was Dorian who somehow told Red that William is in Bon Bon, but I wonder why he would give such information to Red, and at the same time try to warn him about Red coming to Bon Bon.  _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Did you ever watch "The Skulls"? That's the way secret societies work. Intruige and misdirection are tools of the trade. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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No, I haven't seen that movie, and I don't really know that much about secret socities either. But I do wonder what kind of organisation the Clan of the Talon is. Could it simply be working towards keeping its own secrets hidden, or is it a more villainous organization that seeks to control the people of Bon Bon?
Which also leads to another thing I've been wondering. Are there in fact any real villains in this story? Simon is the one we've seen who can be a sort of antagonist, but even he isn't truly evil it seems, despite what Edelweiss told Betty. I think he seems more like a concerned father, who goes a little too far in controlling his daughter. Maybe not entirely likable, but not really evil either. At least not from what we've seen so far. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Symphony Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yay, there's a new page.
Again I must say that Vanessa is putting amazing details into these pages. And again it's all incredibly hot! And messy!
The first panel is my favorite(though the rest are great too, of course). I mean, it's Lily after all, and it's just really really hot.
I really like the details of her face and hair, and her saliva. I guess that's most of the panel, hehe.
I also have a thing for watching female furry characters perform oral sex. I don't know why that is. It's just hot, and sometimes a bit scary when they have sharp teeth.  _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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JohnnyPsycho Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Last panel was great, the little joke about Red's rather speedy, and messy, "performance" is a nice touch. After all, no one's first time is ever "perfect"... I'll admit, i was almost starting to get a bit jealous of all the attention the guy was getting, and it was a bit refreshing to see young Red in such a humorous light... _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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Hehe, I like that too. It gives the scene a nice realistic touch, and again it contrast wildly with his much more controlled performance later with Betty.
Just a shame that poor Periwinkle doesn't get satisfied after all her work  _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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JohnnyPsycho wrote: | Last panel was great, the little joke about Red's rather speedy, and messy, "performance" is a nice touch. After all, no one's first time is ever "perfect"... I'll admit, i was almost starting to get a bit jealous of all the attention the guy was getting, and it was a bit refreshing to see young Red in such a humorous light... |
Well, I feel a little less guilty hearing I wasn't the only one who's face was a tad bit red to see Red getting so much attention.
Still, sounds like he makes up for it by having the knowledge to orally please the ladies back. Its just a shame Periwinkle didn't get to have as much fun. No offense to those of you who enjoy Lily, for I do enjoy her too, but 2/3 the skunkettes catch my eye over a vixen. *shrugs*
Also, on another note Vanessa. I'm also glad to see so many species used. I was especially surprised to see the female Pig. I full heartedly agree, you don't need all hourglass girls in the castle. Why, there are those who enjoy a woman with some meat on her bones. Infact, with so many large males marching about, I know I'd be afraid to hurt one of our wonderfully petite lasses. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Also, on another note Vanessa. I'm also glad to see so many species used. I was especially surprised to see the female Pig. I full heartedly agree, you don't need all hourglass girls in the castle. Why, there are those who enjoy a woman with some meat on her bones. Infact, with so many large males marching about, I know I'd be afraid to hurt one of our wonderfully petite lasses. |
I've been thinking something similar. I like many different body types, but I'll also have to admit that I have come up with an avatar that has the often used hour glass figure, so I'm adding to the tendency. I have been tempted to come up with a sort of pear shaped character, with a bit wide hips and a big round behind, but I ultimately went with my first idea of what kind of character I'd like to see Vanessa make for me.
I also applaud Freeza and Xebulon for picking such different body types for their avatars. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Hmm...I wouldn't have minded seeing a you as a tasty pear my dear. *chuckles and offers her his arm gently*
I don't know a many alive who doesn't enjoy a fine set of hips his hands can slide around so he can softly squeeze her closer to him.  _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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Symphony Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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LabrnMystic wrote: |
Hmm...I wouldn't have minded seeing a you as a tasty pear my dear. *chuckles and offers her his arm gently*
I don't know a many alive who doesn't enjoy a fine set of hips his hands can slide around so he can softly squeeze her closer to him.  |
Absolutely, and it's still tempting to create an avatar that has that type of body, but in my mind it doesn't fit that well with my vision of how I'd like a mare to look. That's something that probably has to do with my view on different species and the stereotypes I associate with them. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Symphony wrote: | I also applaud Freeza and Xebulon for picking such different body types for their avatars. |
Well you know what they say. Art imitates life. Now if only I could actually grow a mustache like that.  _________________ I like old jokes. With them I know when to laugh. |
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Regarding the latests page, I'm thinking of how all the information we've been given in it fit with what we already know.
Simon says that the engagement can be considered broken, but in issue 5, Betty said that the engagement was broken off three years ago, which would be two years after the start of this flashback. So I'm wondering if something happens that we don't know of yet, or if the time has jumped to two years later.
If what Simon says is true(I guess he could be lying to hide that his real objection is that Red carries letters between Mary and Betty), then that would mean that Red's father isn't a member of the Clan, and it makes me wonder if Red joins the clan(or is made to join the clan by his father), in order to be able to marry Mary.
Simon says that he's the treasurer. In issue 5, Betty said that she takes care of the treasure of the society, which she inherited after Edelweiss. I wonder if they are talking about the same position.  _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Symphony wrote: | Simon says that the engagement can be considered broken, but in issue 5, Betty said that the engagement was broken off three years ago, which would be two years after the start of this flashback. So I'm wondering if something happens that we don't know of yet, or if the time has jumped to two years later. |
I think it's safe to say the flashback has jumped ahead a couple years. Notice how the fur around Red's upper lip and chin are a bit longer (like he's growing his facial hair out a bit... think of how young men first start growing mustaches and beards in real-life...), plus he's dressed in a more mature style. He seems a bit more mature over all...
Quote: | If what Simon says is true(I guess he could be lying to hide that his real objection is that Red carries letters between Mary and Betty), then that would mean that Red's father isn't a member of the Clan, and it makes me wonder if Red joins the clan(or is made to join the clan by his father), in order to be able to marry Mary. |
Seems like a reasonable assumption, then again, you never know where the twists and turns in this plot will take you. Maybe he has some other motive in mind, and might be using his broken engagement to Mary as a cover...
Quote: | Simon says that he's the treasurer. In issue 5, Betty said that she takes care of the treasure of the society, which she inherited after Edelweiss. I wonder if they are talking about the same position.  |
Great observation! I didn't even notice that before! Hmmm, this just means there's more to the connection between Edelweiss and Simon... too bad Freeza790's not in here much anymore, this is definitely a mystery worthy of a certain tabby-cat detective.  _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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JohnnyPsycho wrote: |
I think it's safe to say the flashback has jumped ahead a couple years. Notice how the fur around Red's upper lip and chin are a bit longer (like he's growing his facial hair out a bit... think of how young men first start growing mustaches and beards in real-life...), plus he's dressed in a more mature style. He seems a bit more mature over all...
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It's not Red, but Red's father, I believe. Simon refers to Red in third person, and the man he's talking to is called Edward, although I can see how Red could possibly be a nickname. Plus it was Simon and Red's father who arranged the engagement, s I guess it would be natural that Simon announces the decision to Red's father first.
If it wasn't for what Betty said about women not being able to join the clan, I would be speculating whether Edelweiss was part of it. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Symphony, in these flashback pages we're still in the year 1890, else I would have changed the date in the caption.
Moreover Betty never says that the engagement was broken three years before, but that she hasn't seen Red in three years (page 14, issue #5). The engagement is never mentioned in the meeting between Betty and Red, but it is hinted that Mary interposed herself between the two "friends".
Red and Mary are separated in the 1890, then... you'll find out that Red however will visit Bon Bon two years later, disappearing afterwards for three more years.
Betty sees Red again in the 1892, and then there's a three years gap up to the current year of 1895.
Johnny, that's not Red, that's Edward, Red's father ^-^ !
Simon and Betty are both responsible for the secret accounts of the Clan. Simon is the one who has direct contacts with the saving members of the society and readies their papers to open an account, while Betty takes care of the practical management of the accounts and keeps the money in the secret caveau of the Delight Castle; it is a collaboration, but a long range one. It's kinda difficult to explain, it'd be better for you to keep following the story. I can only give you this hint: maybe in the past Simon and Edelweiss were business partners and something split them up, leaving bad memories and a bitter relationship between Simon and Bon Bon, don't forget that Simon himself wrote the town's laws. _________________
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Vanessa wrote: | Symphony, in these flashback pages we're still in the year 1890, else I would have changed the date in the caption.
Moreover Betty never says that the engagement was broken three years before, but that she hasn't seen Red in three years (page 14, issue #5). The engagement is never mentioned in the meeting between Betty and Red, but it is hinted that Mary interposed herself between the two "friends". |
I don't know if I misunderstand Betty's comment(English isn't my first language, so it's definately a possibility), but I'm referring to her comment in page 27 of issue 5. After she has had sex with Red, she says: "It's been three years now since the engagement between you and Mary has been broken off..."
That's really what I was basing my comment about the engagement on.
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Red and Mary are separated in the 1890, then... you'll find out that Red however will visit Bon Bon two years later, disappearing afterwards for three more years.
Betty sees Red again in the 1892, and then there's a three years gap up to the current year of 1895. |
Red is quickly becoming one of the most interesting characters. I hadn't noticed Betty's comment about it being three years since she last saw Red, and I'm really looking forward to finding out more.
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Simon and Betty are both responsible for the secret accounts of the Clan. Simon is the one who has direct contacts with the saving members of the society and readies their papers to open an account, while Betty takes care of the practical management of the accounts and keeps the money in the secret caveau of the Delight Castle; it is a collaboration, but a long range one. It's kinda difficult to explain, it'd be better for you to keep following the story. I can only give you this hint: maybe in the past Simon and Edelweiss were business partners and something split them up, leaving bad memories and a bitter relationship between Simon and Bon Bon, don't forget that Simon himself wrote the town's laws. |
Thanks for the explanation. This is very interesting. I hadn't really thought of Edelweiss and Simon as possible business partners, but I've been thinking of the possibilities of Edelweiss being highly affiliated with the clan, and Simon making the laws to protect his own past. _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Symphony wrote: | in page 27 of issue 5. After she has had sex with Red, she says: "It's been three years now since the engagement between you and Mary has been broken off..."
That's really what I was basing my comment about the engagement on.
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Ah! yes, you are right, I forgot it ^-^ but the story is the same.
See the next pages to understand.
At pag 14 , issue#5,
Betty say: "Oh Red! it's been a long time!"
Red: About three years, to be precise!" _________________
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Okay. Sometimes I miss such details. And I'm looking forward to finding out what happens when Betty and Red meet two years later.
I like how much we're seeing of the story here. It seems like quite a lot is revealed in this flashback.
The restriction regarding Mary and who she could mary came as quite a surprise. It can't be easy for Simon to find an acceptable suitor for Mary, since I'm also thinking of what you've told earlier about marriages between persons of the same species.  _________________ Constance Mayflower's bio
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By the high level interest and eagerness to discover every little clue, I think Symphony is going to be a keeper, sticking around this site for sometime.
Though can't blame yah, I'm quite intrigued by the story as well.
Vanessa, I understand how the treasury deal between Blue and Betty works. It would be quite the security risk if Mr. Blue tried to keep all the actual, physical money at his own estate, seeing its only him and Mary.
A Casino is known to have high levels of cash at hand that would keep away suspicion. Also, theres always some form of security, be it simple body guards like myself and Thomas Aaron (always be wary of a man with two first names), actual security like Namathet, or even the loyal patrons like we saw in the first issue. _________________ The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last. |
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