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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Daphne questions Reply with quote

Hi everyone!
Recently Nightwolf asked me some questions about Daphne's life, I'd like to answer here too to make her story public.
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"I was also curious about something. Where does Daphne live? Does she have a manor all her own? She seems like she'd be well to do and would not have to prostitute herself like the castle girls would. Must make quite a few florins from those people who buy her books. I'd still love to know how Mary got a hold of them! "

Hehe Very Happy ok:
Daphne doesn't live in Bon Bon, but she's a long-standing friend of Betty. Whenever Daphne publishes her latest book, she presents it in advance at the australian library/bookstore owned by Martin, the "Outback Omnibus", whose only employees are australian races. Curious
Daphne sits at a desk and signs her books for the fans that participate to the event in great number. During her stay in BB she is a guest at the Delight Castle.
How can Mary get her books? Hehe! The story is long yet simple, you'll find out in issue #4 and will think "Oh, right! It was obvious!" Rolling Eyes
Daphne is mysterious, nobody knows where she lives, nor whether Actarus is a real person or a virtual lover... but it's sure that she draws inspiration from facts and people that she meets in Bon Bon to write her novels! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She sounds lovely and maybe make a vew short comics a month or so of one of her stories? Just a thought like what happened in the book mary was reading. But there is one thing I wonder... though I can wait till #4
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, nice. Smile
I guess issue 4 will answer quite a number of questions... Can't wait for it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well! This certainly answers a couple longstanding questions about the lovely Daphne. Somehow I felt she and Betty were friends. That's quite interesting that she'd sign her books in advance at an australian bookstore owned my Martin. She herself isn't Australian, is she? Wink

I, too, am looking forward to learning about how Mary gets Daphne's books! Issue#4 is looking to be really exciting. Can't wait for it!

To keep the rest of the facts secret for now, I'll only say what you suggested, Vanessa just so no one comes up with the idea before I do regarding my character. I still have a couple months before I'm eligible for an avatar anyway.

To keep a long story short, my character is a gourmet chef at the Delight Castle...so now nobody can steal the chef title. Very Happy I'm surprised no one chose the profession of chef since I don't believe BonBon has any (known) chefs until now. It's a true artistic profession, one in which passion can be infused into the food much like it can be infused into literature in the way Daphne writes. This will also make it easier for my character to have met Daphne during her frequent visits to BonBon and the Delight Dastle and to have a connection with her level of passion. Wink

I will post a more detailed description of my character when my senior royal status draws closer. But for now, thanks so much for posting that information, Vanessa, and for emailing me. I look oh so forward to your posts and bits of information that we might not have known before. I hope Daphne plays a bit bigger of a role in the coming issues which, judging by what you said, is a definite possibility.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... if it's ok with vanessa I'm going to post a history of the handsome Drake (Me Very Happy ) and what brought him to Bonbon in the first place for real besides meeting a lovely lady.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well this help shed some light on her and I'm quite curious as to what'll happen in issue 4. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goodmorning everyone, I thought I'd put my two florins in since the question of how Mary got a hold of Daphne's book/s is one I have been pondering since issue #1 and I have since come up with three theoretical possibilities, which I shall list from most likely to least. #1: Betty gave her the book/s, wether through a third party or not
#2: Mary snuck out to obtain the book/s and last, and most unlikely, #3: Mary's father gave her the book. I anxiously await issue #4 to see if I am correct in my theories or if she obtained the book/s in some other manner. Oh, the suspense! Laughing And, since I'm sure more than one of you shall think to remind me, let me just say that I have not forgotten how Mary hid her book from her father when he came to lock her window for the night in issue #1. And now, if you'll excuse me, breakfast awaits Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ashton. You seem to be very detail oriented about PBB but that's good. I am the same way and pretty much remember everything that happens too.

As for your theoretical possibilities, #1 seems to be the most likely and probably done through a 3rd party. As for #2, I doubt Mary could just sneak out of her room since her father keeps her under lock and key or at the very least, housebound. Makes me wonder if she's EVER left her home. #3 while you list it as being the least likely would be virtually unheard of anyway, unless part of Daphne's writing provides a false front which is pretty doubtful since she appears to be quite lustful. I doubt Mr. Blue would let anything into Mary's room without his very detailed and thorough inspection of the item in question first.

Also of some interest with regard to this particular question is the cover to Issue 3. Betty and Violet are dressed as maids, along with Wilson and it has Mary in the foreground wringing a bell. Though there hasn't been a scene yet showing Betty and Violet in the Blue Manor with Wilson disguised as maids, I'd wonder whether the Delight Castle pair had done something like that before in order to pass along Daphne's publishings to Mary. That is another possibility.

I'd also like to know how many of Daphne's books Mary actually owns. Judging from how cooped up she is, I bet she probably has a whole shelf full. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Nightwolf. You are quite correct about my being detail oriented, though that is not just about PBB, it's just the way I am, thanks in no small part to my long standing hobby of character creation. Being a poor draw artist, all that left me with was my attention to detail to describe my characters in as much detail as possible, some of them take up more than just one or two pages. As for my theoretical possibilities, I agree with all you have said with the exeption of #2, I doubt Mary has NOT snuck out of home once or twice because she seems to have been housebound, as you put it, most of if not all of her life. And last, but not least, I, too, have wondered how many of Daphne's books Mary owns, though I doubt she has shelves worth since that would make it very hard for her to hide them from her fathers watchful and prying eyes.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably handed to her through third parties. Maybe she never leaves the house (unlikely), but even then, there have to be plenty of people visiting the house. Cooks, tailors, doctors when someone is ill, tutors for Mary, business people to meet with Simon, etc. Knowing Simon, most of those people would be women, so there'd be no chance (in his mind) of any of them deflowering his precious daughter.

Or maybe someone just hands them to her through the fence. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha, proof (of a sort)! Mary was caught once before trying to sneak out of home (see page 28 of issue #3). This only reinforces my belief that Mary has snuck away from home before, she just was unlucky or clumsy this time and got caught. Though, now I think about it, if she had snuck out of home before, it seems likely that she would have found a "companion" and would not still be wishing for a man right now. I'm sure Betty would have been more than willing to help her in that respect. Hm, "curiouser and curiouser". (Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass, if you prefer)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, I think Mary would be smart enough not to lose her virginity to just any random gent she met on the streets of Bon Bon, despite how "desperate for release" she may seem. Most evidence of her private "play" seems to point to her wishing to be swept off her feet by a partner who is not just going to appeal to her physical desires, but to her romantic/emotional desires as well. She is still a lady, after all, and should be treated as such. She would probably not put up with being groped by just any fur, even if her friend Betty set her up with him. That's why it's interesting that Betty set up William to become the new butler, because it's possible that she realizes he might be just the type of guy Mary's been looking for.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same thought of Betty playing Cupid with Mary and William has crossed my own mind a number of times but then I always think it seems more likely that Betty sent William to Blue Manor so Mary would finally be able to get out of said manor-house and be free to explore Bon Bon and the rest of the world should she choose it and her father allow it, albeit with an escort, without the ulterior motive of playing matchmaker. I further believe Betty waited for someone just like William, misogynous or even homosexual, to come along so she could manipulate them into "setting Mary free", so to speak, instead of just sending any of the many men she could undoubtedly persuade to the task of being butler to the Blue's because, as she herself said, "Bon Bon men are heartbreakers" and the more I think about it, the more I believe she did not send William to the Blue household to become romantically involved with Mary, though I do get the sneaky suspicion that that is exactly what will happen, that Mary and William will become romantically involved with each other. I also believe that Betty lied when saying Mr.Blue was only considering homosexual men for the posting of butler and escort to Mary for two definable reasons, the first being when Mr.Blue first met William and discovered he was there to interveiw for the butler position, he made no mention of nor did he ask if Willaim was homosexual. The second reason is it was Mr.Blue himself who asked William, or Wilson as he now knew him, if he were homosexual, as if it had just dawned on him to ask. If he were only considering the homosexual for the job, I believe he would have asked him first thing off if he were homosexual or else he would have just taken it for granted that William/Wilson was homosexual and not even brought it up at all. All that only reinforces my belief that Betty lied when she told Willaim Mr.Blue was only hiring homosexulal men and that she said that just so William would not try to seduce Mary. Whew, I really hit on a brain storm while writing this, my apologies to those who were annoyed by the length of this post and my apologies to the Bon Bon crew if I have just unmasked a good deal of this story, I do hope this is not the case though it will be quite intresting, at least to me, to see if I am correct in my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually think perhaps Mr. Blue did wish for homosexual men to apply for the butler position, but he perhaps did not mention anything at first mostly because he wanted to "weed out" any fakers and liars. It just happened that "Wilson's" breakdown inadvertantly made him seem even more gay in Mr. Blue's eyes, sealing the deal for him, so to speak.

But, you could be right. It's likely Betty knew that only a male completely lacking in desire for a healthy young girl like Mary would do for the job of butler and "chaperone", and playing up the gay angle seemed the best way to slip around Mr. Blue's strict hiring guidelines.

Unfortunately for her plan, it seems William has recently discovered his libido, pehaps a bit of a miscalculation on Betty's part, or is it?...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bravo Ashton,
Simon didn't yet know if William was homosexual, but he understood it from his actions. Surely Simon would have avoided showing the contract to a man that was too attractive, with a virile personality, in short a danger for his daughter! BUT Betty told William to pretend to be homosexual not only to give him an extra chance to be hired, but also to avoid any attraction between him and Mary; Betty doesn't want to act as Cupid between the two, since William in her eyes is a loser dry , and therefore unfit for her friend that deserves... something else! Cool


About the topic of why Betty has chosen William, I'll clarify a few points.
Betty was looking for someone to "infiltrate" at the Blue manor, that she could be able to manipulate.
Now, Simon only accepts visits from women in good standing, men - outside the gate only - or gays (and that should make you think that after all Simon is quite openminded... as he says in page 28 " I belive that it's a matter of hormones, I'm not a stupid..." Rolling Eyes
Betty isn't able to find a gay, and even less a friendly gay she can trust, because she wants Mary to leave the house to see her friend again. Who could lead mary to Betty?
Then, one fine day, Betty throws out of the DC a greedy gambler, utterly lacking respect for a lady such as her... interested more in a florin lost due to a spilled drink! dry
The nice Loucille, quite a gossip at heart, sees the scene and explains to Betty (while Will is out cold...) that he's an adventurer looking for a job, utterly uninterested in "sweet company"!
Betty's idea fires up! Idea
A man, mysoginous, greedy and a compulsive gambler, in the hands of the owner of a casino! Uhm... think what a stroke of luck for Betty!
But as a plus, to be truly sure that Will won't betray her plan, she has him filmed as he has sex!! Curious Betty is a clever, calculating girl, and her plan goes way beyond what you can imagine. Follow the logic and the story and you'll reach the solution of the mystery! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love when little bits and elements from PBB are revelaed, Vanessa. Makes the story that much more interesting to follow in my eyes.

This does make me wonder a bit though. If Betty does not wish to see William eventually end up with the fair Mary (assuming she thinks of him as a loser and a complete moron and unworthy of Mary's affection Laughing), how would that effect her plans to infiltrate Blue's manor if in his dealings as a butler, he does grow closer to Mary in secret? I also can't imagine that Mary would think the same about William (err. Wilson) as Betty does, though that could only be because Mary hasn't been insulted by him.

You obviously know the story in a lot more detail than we do, Vanessa, after all. Wink Though Betty may be clever and calculating, could it be possible that she underestimates William's ability to acclimate himself at the Blue Manor and possibly develop real feelings for the fair Mary? He's shown himself to be rather weak and compulsive up to this point, but that doesn't mean he's incapable of changing. Plus, if he has to spend all that time posing as a gay butler with a totally different temperament than he's used to, perhaps some of that will wear off on the real William Greenback. Though I wouldn't want to be standing in Simon's house the second he were to discover that the gay Wilson is a compulsive, supposedly misogynous and greedy gambler if that were to happen.

Interesting how a topic that started around Daphne takes this kind of a turn, though I like it. I wonder what Daphne would think of William. Curious
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, I'd be worried about something else myself...

I mean, Betty might have outsmarted herself! Very Happy
Think about it: she took a mysoginous, or apparent one (now we know it was just, so to speak, lack of practice) and, even if just for blackmail's sake, showed him the beauty of wild, no-holds-barred sex... thus breaking whatever barrier held back Will's libido, that now is rampaging through him with all the niceness and gentleness of a Tyrannosaurus Rex during mating season! Very Happy
Honestly, people, Betty should be thankful for Will's cowardly vein and Simon's very extended gun collection... Wink

Nothing says "be polite and civilized" like a full-bore elephant gun, ne?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly what I was getting at, Martin. Indeed, William seems to be a changed man now that he's had some "experience", and it seems he'll have to learn, probably quite quickly, how to reign in that sex drive before something "unfortunate" happens. The guy has a weak will, we all know that from his gambling problem, he has very little self-control.

Balancing the sex-crazed William Greenback with the much more reserved Wison Green will likely be the great comedic/dramatic mechanism that will keep the story entertaining.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe William discovering his libido was unfortunate for Betty's plan or a miscalculation sice it was Betty herself, with the help of her friend and accomplice, as it was phrased, Violet, who helped William discover his libido. If anything was unfortunate about that, I would think it would have to be the harm and apparent near death experience William had at the hands, or hips, as the case may be, of the overzealous Violet Berry. As for Mr.Blue wishing and hoping for a homosexual man to hire, I don't deny that may have been the case, I just don't believe he was ONLY interveiwing homosexual men to hire. Next, Vanessa, I'm afraid I fail to see the insurance benefit or "plus", as you said, of Betty filming William losing his virginity. Even if she intended to use the film as blackmail, I don't see how it could have very much hold over William considering "Bon Bon is the city of pleasure and SEX!", as Dorian described it in issue #1. The only way I can conceive of the film as an extortion tool is if she sent it to Mr.Blue to prove Wilson a hetrosexual man and have him fired but even then, how would she convince him to watch it, I doubt very much that Mr.Blue would accept any mail or packages from Betty and even if she convinced him to watch the film, one glance at what it held and he'd be liable to shoot the projector with one of his well kept firearms, therby destroying the film and any incriminating proof it held against Wilson. As for Willaim (or Wilson) controlling his new found sex drive, I think one rememberance of Mr.Blue outraged face and his "very extended gun collection", as Martin put it, will be all the motivation he needs to keep himself under control. (That, and the five thousand florin a month wage he'll be receiving Wink ). And last, but not least, you know what they say, Nightwolf, first impressions are the most important, he's already ruined his first impression with at least Betty and her two adoring fans who lept to her defense and attacked William, Hans and the as yet unamed other, so I think he'll be making more of an effort when he is introduced to Mary.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your questions are interesting, Nightwolf; but if everything went along well, according to the plans, where would be the fun? I'm not saying that everything was calculated perfectly by Betty, she's got her point of view, but the destiny isn't written down (although I have written it!). Moreover, don't forget that Mary doesn't have the faintest idea of what a gay is... Rolling Eyes doesn't this look like a good hint for a funny comedy of errors? Curious
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashton Gray wrote:
I don't believe William discovering his libido was unfortunate for Betty's plan


I don't belive too... Wink

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Next, Vanessa, I'm afraid I fail to see the insurance benefit or "plus", as you said, of Betty filming William losing his virginity.


We will see... whistling


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he's already ruined his first impression with at least Betty and her two adoring fans who lept to her defense and attacked William, Hans and the as yet unamed other...


His name is George, You remember me that I must do Hans and George charaters bios! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashton Gray wrote:
I don't believe William discovering his libido was unfortunate for Betty's plan or a miscalculation sice it was Betty herself, with the help of her friend and accomplice, as it was phrased, Violet, who helped William discover his libido. If anything was unfortunate about that, I would think it would have to be the harm and apparent near death experience William had at the hands, or hips, as the case may be, of the overzealous Violet Berry.
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As for Willaim (or Wilson) controlling his new found sex drive, I think one rememberance of Mr.Blue outraged face and his "very extended gun collection", as Martin put it, will be all the motivation he needs to keep himself under control. (That, and the five thousand florin a month wage he'll be receiving Wink ).


True, then again, it was Betty herself who noted the strength of a man's sexual desire when William "came back to life" during his first time (page 12, issue 2). Yes, there is plenty of incentive for William to not cross the boundaries with Mary: he is quite a coward, and he is assuredly greedy, and that should be enough to keep him in line... for a while.

I'm so glad that Vanessa gave us this little tid-bit:
Vanessa wrote:
Moreover, don't forget that Mary doesn't have the faintest idea of what a gay is... Rolling Eyes


This should really make for some great comedy. My brain is already coming up with some "awkward" situations for "poor William", but I don't want to give away anything with my predictions.

Dang, I never thought I could get into so much discussion over a webcomic!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never imagined it either, Johnny. I kind of feel like an 1895 version of Tuvok or Spok, observing and cataloguing every logical blunder or inquiry that pops up. Maybe it's simply the intrigue of the story and the characters. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, William is doomed. The Laws of Comedy demand it. It's only a question of how and when, really. Very Happy

In true tragicomic fashion, the doom will probably come not from Simon, but from Betty trying to pull William's strings as she tries to make him dance like a puppet. With William's cornucopia of impulses and wildly varying moods, he's liable to do anything when set on edge. Betty's scheme (whatever it's ultimate goal) will blow itself apart, thanks to the volatile and reactive agent at the heart of it.

But at least William is likely to enjoy Mary's company before everything goes nuts. Laughing

I do find it interesting that Hans and George are going to be full characters, though. What piece are they in this puzzle?
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